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keithwdickinson.bsky.social
Today is a day when arts degrees are worthless, but the product of those degrees is so valuable it would kill an entire industry if they were made to pay for it.
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Nick Clegg says asking artists for use permission would ‘kill’ the AI industry
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adamt1966.bsky.social
Anyone can make a profit selling things you've stolen.
If that's the only business model for AI, they don't have a business.
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vincentbecherer.bsky.social
“People’s labor is so valuable to our business, we can’t afford to fairly pay them for it.”
I feel like there’s a word for that…
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johnvoltz.bsky.social
When your biz model depends on stealing from little bits from many people, maybe the problem is the biz model, not people saying don’t steal, pay me.
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davenewb.bsky.social
It's ironic that an industry being funded by billions each year has to be subsidized by starving artists.
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kairaloi.bsky.social
All I can say is....
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pndrp.bsky.social
If I want to train my mind on material I must pay for that material. If a billion dollar entity wants to train its mind on material it must be able to do it for free. I must pay the billion dollar entity to use material created by its mind.
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jazzaoxon.bsky.social
Does Clegg understand AI and how a human brain works?
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jeremyschultz.bsky.social
What a great observation. It's worth noting that one big reason why the value is so high is because they want to eat the entire creative output that's on the Internet.
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stemthebleeding.bsky.social
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cassandrableigh.bsky.social
Pirates don't pay for anything.
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janmaxwell.bsky.social
So, I want to start a company where I steal your work, and I will complain bitterly if you don't like that. So, can I go to Nick's house and steal all of his stuff, then complain bitterly if he wants me to pay for what I took? How would he feel about that?
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wes0311.bsky.social
Argument sounds like one southern plantation owners would have made in 1859
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livin-in-your-shed.bsky.social
Why aren’t the music companies going scorched earth on the AI companies like they did to the 12 year olds who illegally downloaded a shitty ass metallica album circa 2001?
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tidinzeo.bsky.social
If it would kill the ‘ai industry’ then the ‘ai industry’ should die.
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stringerbelly.bsky.social
There's a whole lot of people looking for the fastest way to get your money into their pockets.
Clegg is doing quite well out of his 15 minutes as Lib Dem leader.
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derorfa.bsky.social
Tbf. That is the core of capitalism. And when societies put up rules to channel this into innovation and raising efficiency it can do a lot of good.
The problem is that those with the deepest pockets tricked societies into thinking rules are bad. Or worse, that they should not apply to them.
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stringerbelly.bsky.social
I don't think it was the burn I intended it to be, should he ever read it.
Foiled again, damn you Clegg!
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sclisa.bsky.social
Kill it then. No sympathy. AI has its place but it is really out of control. The data is now crap. I fact check-- it makes stuff up.
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jazzaoxon.bsky.social
AI is a tool to be used to assist us, not to steal from us.
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danjohnston.uk
He says it like it's a bad thing??
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thelordgod.bsky.social
This is a great encapsulation.
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drjeff.bsky.social
www.gov.ie/en/departmen...
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jackprestonking.bsky.social
Great point.
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t-is-always-angry.bsky.social
It would kill an industry to pay for what they so brazenly steal?
Good. Kill it.
That's not an industry. That's an organized theft ring.
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olddogandgrump.bsky.social
If any business based on taking the output of other businesses and not paying for them is not a sustainable business. And we don't allow it. That's the whole point of trademark and copyright law.
AI can feck off.
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jazzaoxon.bsky.social
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chuckell.bsky.social
If artists could kill "the AI industry" I would happily take up arms (aka a paintbrush)
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jazzaoxon.bsky.social
Don't let AI steal your paintings!
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rpmadmsu.bsky.social
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turbosnail432.bsky.social
if thats how its going to be digital piracy should be legal. reparations for anyone who had jail time or fine, losing up public domain laws, cutting tasks forces that work on the issue. or maybe they could just pay the artists
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paraseptic.bsky.social
Imagine a shop that sold only stolen goods
And when people tell them to stop stealing stuff they go
"Our shop is built off of stealing things! If we stopped now we would be out of business!"
That would never happen because society values property way more than human expression.
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salinger.bsky.social
Fantastic. Let’s kill the AI industry.
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clarkes428.bsky.social
So, it would kill the industry? Okay then...
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patnode.bsky.social
Business community: it’s just too hard to do the right thing, so please let us steal from you. (But you can’t steal from us. )
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spacehippieface.bsky.social
LET IT DIE
LET IT DIE
LET IT SHRIVEL UP AND DIE
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fresistl.bsky.social
Excellent. RIP AI. You are not needed nor welcomed. We are fine with human intelligence. You know, the kind that actually created AI.
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jazzaoxon.bsky.social
Human's have billions of neurons in our brains. AI doen't. Doubt it'll ever catch up.
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fresistl.bsky.social
Treat new tech like we treat new drugs. Test and evaluate first. If we did that with social media we would have done the following:
1. No accounts or access for minors;
2. No algorithms;
3. Required truth in statements. Three strike rule.
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tykebrahe.bsky.social
So they should just bugger off then?
In any other realm this would be copyright fraud but because it will help AI it’s alright then ?
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fll2.bsky.social
So theft is ok is what the moron is saying.
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kimnoreen.bsky.social
The AI industry deserves to die.
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williamthecat.bsky.social
Is it okay to rob a bank as long as i can show that I'm using the money to finance my start up?
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x---factor.bsky.social
Paying uber drivers fair wages would destroy the industry - a familiar refrain from the C suite
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mattpez.bsky.social
it's almost as if capitalists talk complete bollocks
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johnw60.bsky.social
Well I ain‘t gonna work on Cleggy‘s farm no more.
He hands me a novel, he hands me a rhyme.
He asks Sergy Brin if he’s having a good time.
He tweaks Madame Bovary ,as she walks out the door.
I ain’t gonna work on Cleggy‘s bot farm
no more.
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heib20.bsky.social
AI should pay if they want to use an artist’s work. It’s not just about fairness but also about the integrity of how a piece of work is used. Why wouldn’t the artist expect to have a say in how their work is used & receive a suitable payment!
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trout737.bsky.social
The same Cleggy who got rid of student grants.
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vivaxcogitatio.bsky.social
Then so fucking be it
Humans should get paid for their labor. Period.
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crystalmeh.bsky.social
Imagine if torrents had this kinda money invested 30 years ago and they were like, “asking artists and movie studios for permission is going to kill the torrent business” lol
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24read-sew.bsky.social
Stealing the creative works of others is not okay. How would he feel if someone stole his AI work and collected revenue from it without permission? I mean really, the nerve of these users!
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