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How Do Y'all Feel About Religion?

I don't really have to respond to those instances point by point.
The Bible does that for me.

Niggas would get the death penalty these days talkin reckless like this: Is the abrahamic God u follow a criminal?

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Kidnapping - rape - murder being encouraged/justified in the name of religion.

Spin it all u want but the book say what the book say.
How is that rape when it explicitly says you should not treat her brutally? It says "YOU MAY go into her" not "you HAVE to go into her".
And no, they were not forcefully removed. The verse is talking about the women who had their husbands killed during war.
 
How is that rape when it explicitly says you should not treat her brutally? It says "YOU MAY go into her" not "you HAVE to go into her".
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So u admit the book gives u the option to rape bitches at ur discretion?

These religions got u niggas COOKED bra.
 
post a verse showing men can have sex without consent
Already did.
Y'all have an issue with it's interpretation.

Don't obfuscate the text like preachers do to deceive their flock.
Y'all can read until it's time to be literal.

Let's respectfully disagree at this point.
You have your position, I have mine.
 
Already did.
Y'all have an issue with it's interpretation.

Don't obfuscate the text like preachers do to deceive their flock.
Y'all can read until it's time to be literal.

Let's respectfully disagree at this point.
You have your position, I have mine.
heres the thing though

if the word of God is a dialogue

is it between you and God, or you and your pastor?

this isnt to excuse crime of any kind but just a thought.

Ive said it to others but many people use their pastors as approximations for "how God would be" without really considering if thats the mistake
 
people can believe whatever they want, but religion is arrogance parading as humility

imagine thinking the same god who sat by and did nothing as the Holocaust and 9/11 happened, is sitting up there intervening to help you find a spouse/buy a car/the million other trivial things people pray for :mjlol:

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people can believe whatever they want, but religion is arrogance parading as humility

imagine thinking the same god who sat by and did nothing as the Holocaust and 9/11 happened, is sitting up there intervening to help you find a spouse/buy a car/the million other trivial things people pray for :mjlol:

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Hopefully they get u gone B4 yo anti nigga campaigns begin
 
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people can believe whatever they want, but religion is arrogance parading as humility

imagine thinking the same god who sat by and did nothing as the Holocaust and 9/11 happened, is sitting up there intervening to help you find a spouse/buy a car/the million other trivial things people pray for :mjlol:

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when your mother was squeezing you out, do you think she cared about the holocaust?

and yes ricky, its true
 
when your mother was squeezing you out, do you think she cared about the holocaust?
40 billion humans have had kids. we are not special, my mother included
and yes ricky, its true
so when we learned about greek gods, egypt, in 4th grade, that was made up

but jesus is real :mjlol:

please tell me you don't believe in noah's ark
:mjlol:
 
30 billion humans have had kids. we are not special

so when we learned about greek gods, egypt, in 4th grade, that was made up

but jesus is real :mjlol:
thats how i know you dont fully understand any of the religions then

consider that number for a second, and really contemplate 30 billion conceptions, and 30 billion births

and you say "not special" :hhh:

he is as real as anyone else in the bible

when you talk about "greek gods" what does that mean? the egyptians said they became like animals when they fled Typhon to Egypt

and Typhon walked with snakes for feet

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thats how i know you dont fully understand any of the religions then

consider that number for a second, and really contemplate 30 billion conceptions, and 30 billion births

and you say "not special" :hhh:
when you add all animal and insect conceptions, it's in the hundreds of trillions

what's your point?
 
when you add all animal and insect conceptions, it's in the hundreds of trillions

what's your point?
that its amazing not trivial

one of the worst things in science is the idea of millions, billions and trillions at the expense of the smaller quantities. They use this logic to push your thought process away from where the real knowledge is

1 is the biggest number
 
that its amazing not trivial

one of the worst things in science is the idea of millions, billions and trillions at the expense of the smaller quantities

1 is the biggest number
so just to clarify

when you drive by a dead animal on the road, do you say "i'm sure he's going to a magic party up in the clouds with all his family, where animal jesus is the bouncer, if only he followed the correct set of rules out of 3,000 sets"

or do you just drive past a dead sack of meat :unimpressed:
 
so just to clarify

when you drive by a dead animal on the road, do you say "i'm sure he's going to a magic party up in the clouds with all his family, where animal jesus is the bouncer, if only he followed the correct set of rules out of 3,000 sets"

or do you just drive past a dead sack of meat :unimpressed:
hes not dead

his body just ceased

that animal might be reborn as a hippopotamus like gun-game on call of duty

thats between the dead animal and God tbh

when you say "party in the clouds" are you sure that might not be allegorical?

why do male animals and humans balls stay attached to outside of them but just below. Like its a waiting room...
 
when you say "party in the clouds" are you sure that might not be allegorical?
you seem embarrassed to defend the standard christian definition of heaven

i-m just wondering why i was taught as a child that mesopotamia and egypt and greeks were "making up myths", but christianity is real :mjlol:
 
hell is a pagan concept, derived from not a hot place but a cold place

Helheimr

Gehenna on the other hand is where bodies were burned outside of Jerusalem

and metaphysically was described as how you would feel if you were distant from God

so the answer is yes and no. Even the Eskimo is close to God without realizing it

but the Christian interpretation is ultimately confused because its a Jewish narrative proselytizing Gentiles (which is the real saving message of Jesus)
 
hell is a pagan concept, derived from not a hot place but a cold place

Helheimr

Gehenna on the other hand is where bodies were burned outside of Jerusalem

and metaphysically was described as how you would feel if you were distant from God

so the answer is yes and no. Even the Eskimo is close to God without realizing it

but the Christian interpretation is ultimately confused because its a Jewish narrative proselytizing Gentiles (which is the real saving message of Jesus)
alright breh. we can agree to disagree :salute:

 
alright breh. we can agree to disagree :salute:


what are you disagreeing with?

you just asked me to refute something and I did

most Christians say: Believe this or this will happen

I am saying belief has nothing to do with fear of what will happen. Belief is understanding things are in divine control even if evidence says otherwise

EDIT - also not gonna say how it happened but damn the Eskimo might have gotten a raw deal if Odinism is true :russ: i just noticed how i fipped that unintentionally
 
what are you disagreeing with?

you just asked me to refute something and I did

most Christians say: Believe this or this will happen

I am saying belief has nothing to do with fear of what will happen. Belief is understanding things are in divine control even if evidence says otherwise
this just sounds like a bunch of bullshit. you aren't claiming anything

my best friend died when we were all 24. i'd love it to be the case that he's gonna greet us up in the clouds when we die, with a bottle of ciroc. but i'm not childish enough to believe that nonsense
 
this just sounds like a bunch of bullshit. you aren't claiming anything

my best friend died when we were all 24. i'd love it to be the case that he's gonna greet us up in the clouds when we die, with a bottle of ciroc. but i'm not childish enough to believe that nonsense
thats your perspective

i get the feeling me showing you that Heaven just means sky is disappointing

but to me, I know that you and I were born without us having to do anything

so when you say "i wanna meet the dead in the clouds"

you sound to me like you want to go back into your fathers sack. You dont know how many times you might have known your best friend

Genesis 45:7-17

7 And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.

8 So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.

9 Haste ye, and go up to my father, and say unto him, Thus saith thy son Joseph, God hath made me lord of all Egypt: come down unto me, tarry not:

10 And thou shalt dwell in the land of Goshen, and thou shalt be near unto me, thou, and thy children, and thy children's children, and thy flocks, and thy herds, and all that thou hast:


11 And there will I nourish thee; for yet there are five years of famine; lest thou, and thy household, and all that thou hast, come to poverty.

12 And, behold, your eyes see, and the eyes of my brother Benjamin, that it is my mouth that speaketh unto you.

13 And ye shall tell my father of all my glory in Egypt, and of all that ye have seen; and ye shall haste and bring down my father hither.

14 And he fell upon his brother Benjamin's neck, and wept; and Benjamin wept upon his neck.

15 Moreover he kissed all his brethren, and wept upon them: and after that his brethren talked with him.

16 And the fame thereof was heard in Pharaoh's house, saying, Joseph's brethren are come: and it pleased Pharaoh well, and his servants.

17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Say unto thy brethren, This do ye; lade your beasts, and go, get you unto the land of Canaan;
 
thats your perspective

i get the feeling me showing you that Heaven just means sky is disappointing

but to me, I know that you and I were born without us having to do anything

so when you say "i wanna meet the dead in the clouds"

you sound to me like you want to go back into your fathers sack. You dont know how many times you might have known your best friend

Genesis 45:7-17
so just to clarify, this image that you were butthurt about; this is how you actually feel?
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you laugh off the idea that buddha and apollo and anubis were real? but your fable is real?
 
so just to clarify, this image that you were butthurt about; this is how you actually feel?
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you laugh off the idea that buddha and apollo and anubis were real? but your fable is real?
do you even know what those names mean? you assume that foreign countries idea of "God" is the same thing as what is found in the Abrahamic sphere

embodied ideas are not deities but thats ultimately what those beliefs are

Anubis was God of the dead right? well what if I said that he just represents a boundary in thought(pun intended). That the animal world isnt really "alive" in the sense you and I are alive

im not going through all the other beliefs but if you dont understand the difference between embodied idea and God you wont understand anything

see this for more clarification why im not addressing that
 
do you even know what those names mean? you assume that foreign countries idea of "God" is the same thing as what is found in the Abrahamic sphere

embodied ideas are not deities but thats ultimately what those beliefs are

Anubis was God of the dead right? well what if I said that he just represents a boundary in thought. That the animal world isnt really "alive" in the sense you and I are alive

im not going through all the other beliefs but if you dont understand the difference between embodied idea and God you wont understand anything

see this for more clarification why im not addressing that
this is just word salad. you aren't taking any concrete position

i'll see you in allah's hell :mjlol:
 
im the wrong person to run that with
why should i fear your version of hell, any more than you fear the thousand religions you cast off as nonsense?

you don't fear the Aztec or Incan gods, correct? do you cater to the gods who native americans thought they had to rain dance for?

you don't believe in 999 gods. i just don't believe in 1000
 
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why should i fear your version of hell, any more than you fear the thousand religions you cast off as nonsense?

you don't fear the Aztec or Incan gods, correct?
when did I say: "I have a version of Hell"

i have vehemently stated in so many ways that hell is an invention of mankind as tool to proselytize under the guise of fear

why should I fear anything you speak of? In the game Black and White the Aztecs actually worship my create-a-deity

Nyusersatjet :wow: @joelb
 
when did I say: "I have a version of Hell"

i have vehemently stated in so many ways that hell is an invention of mankind as tool to proselytize under the guise of fear

why should I fear anything you speak of? In the game Black and White the Aztecs actually worship my create-a-deity

Nyusersatjet :wow: @joelb
the best kind of religion. "i don't have to take a stance on the rules, i'm just spiritual" :mjlol:
 
do you cater to the gods who native americans thought they had to rain dance for?

you don't believe in 999 gods. i just don't believe in 1000
its between you and God

in either case you are confusing belief and sorcery

they arent necessarily the same but they are fiercely intertwined like in Soul Calibur

the best kind of religion. "i don't have to take a stance on the rules, i'm just spiritual" :mjlol:
isnt that what you are doing? im confused as to what you are trying to imply
 
Jesus first and most important command to those who follow him is to: Love the LORD Your God with all your heart mind and soul.
this has been irrelevant to a good 80% of humans. why is this fable real, but the egyptian and mesopotamian gods were not?
 
this has been irrelevant to a good 80% of humans. why is this fable real, but the egyptian and mesopotamian gods were not?
well let me aware you in ways you didnt know possible

so when i mentioned the game black and white and that the aztecs worshipped my deity you didnt ask what the name meant

"Possessed by Womens Water"

So you said: "do you cater to the gods who native americans thought they had to rain dance for?"

so in a strange irony, the LORD has delivered you into the hand of my create-a-deity and you didnt know it.

this is why I say, speak to Your God and please contemplate your relationship with him. Convincing me on the 10000s of epithets in the world is meaningless

when you yourself dont really understand a single one...yet
 
well let me aware you in ways you didnt know possible

so when i mentioned the game black and white and that the aztecs worshipped my deity you didnt ask what the name meant

"Possessed by Womens Water"

So you said: "do you cater to the gods who native americans thought they had to rain dance for?"

so in a strange irony, the LORD has delivered you into the hand of my create-a-deity and you didnt know it.

this is why I say, speak to Your God and please contemplate your relationship with him. Convincing me on the 10000s of epithets in the world is meaningless

when you yourself dont really understand a single one...yet
look man, i respect you and your beliefs. i just want some proof :hubie:

where's it at? these hundred interchangeable novels are not cutting it. you're no more credible than the incas who sacrificed children to make it rain, which we all laugh at as complete fucking bullshit
 
look man, i respect you and your beliefs. i just want some proof :hubie:

where's it at? these hundred interchangeable novels are not cutting it. you're no more credible than the incas who sacrificed children to make it rain, which we all laugh at as complete fucking bullshit
you say that but you dont appear to be reading anything

you say you want proof but for what exactly? no other person will make you a "believer"
 

Which is why the conversation is futile.
I had to grow out of it even tho I've never been extremely religious & even that was hard.

Our people, both in the americas & the continent simply ain't ready to climb that hill.
 
Which is why the conversation is futile.
I had to grow out of it even tho I've never been extremely religious & even that was hard.

Our people, both in the americas & the continent simply ain't ready to climb that hill.
Our people aren't a monolith. Remember, we are entitled to have independent thought. You have to remember that religion helps some people. It surely helped me become a better person.
 
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Our people aren't a monolith. Remember, we are entitled to have independent thought. You have to remember that religion helps some people. It surely helped me become a better person.

True.
That's the main reason u have to approach the topic with nuance.
It's pretty cut & dry with me tho.
I'm not an atheist - I definitely believe in a divine power.
In my view creation is to complex for their not to be a grand designer overseeing all of creation.
Atleast I hope so..

I shun the abrahamic faiths (I've practiced 2), Christianity & Islam, because I truly believe those faiths aren't from us - & I can't in good spirit get down with practicing the beliefs of a foreign people, (I'm aware of the spiritual/historical concepts stolen from the Nile valley Christianity/Islam & Judaism co-opted from us).

Cacs beat that shit into us & we've been struggling to find ourselves since.
I can't get with that, but I 100% understand those that use it to find purpose or reasoning.

Been in that boat myself. So more power to u big bra if that's ur truth.
 
Damn this thread got violent quick

I can respect religion if it makes the individual happier in life

It’s not for me though, we all have unique relationships with spirituality ‘one size fits all’ could never work realistically
 
I shun the abrahamic faiths (I've practiced 2), Christianity & Islam, because I truly believe those faiths aren't from us - & I can't in good spirit get down with practicing the beliefs of a foreign people, (I'm aware of the spiritual/historical concepts stolen from the Nile valley Christianity/Islam & Judaism co-opted from us).

Cacs beat that shit into us & we've been struggling to find ourselves since.
I can't get with that, but I 100% understand those that use it to find purpose or reasoning.
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two lines should help you contemplate this

"The first river of the garden is Pishon, and it flows through the whole land of Havilah and the gold of that land is good"

"The three sons that exited the ark with Noah (Rest) were Ham, Shem and Japeth"

now this is gonna come out of left field but trust me that it will open your eye.

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if you interpret it the way i do, the term "Shem" should always be read as "Name". So the interpretation becomes the first river of the garden has gold and the name is Gold.

So as I said earlier in this thread, what you write is at odds with literal Gold.
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two lines should help you contemplate this

"The first river of the garden is Pishon, and it flows through the whole land of Havilah and the gold of that land is good"

"The three sons that exited the ark with Noah (Rest) were Ham, Shem and Japeth"

now this is gonna come out of left field but trust me that it will open your eye.

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if you interpret it the way i do, the term "Shem" should always be read as "Name". So the interpretation becomes the first river of the garden has gold and the name is Gold.

So as I said earlier in this thread, what you write is at odds with literal Gold.
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Mansa Musa was Muslim.
I'm struggling to connect the dots u tryin to paint bra.

Side question tho.
Do u believe black people predate Judaism?
What about our ancestors practicing something entirely different once upon a time?

If so, why is that not worthy of praise?

Let's argue observable verifiable history bra not theology.
 
I absolutely hate it. I think it has led to the deaths of millions of human beings throughout history and has been used as a moral justification to fulfill the ambitions of powerful people since its inception.
 
Mansa Musa was Muslim.
I'm struggling to connect the dots u tryin to paint bra.

Side question tho.
Do u believe black people predate Judaism?
What about our ancestors practicing something entirely different once upon a time?

If so, why is that not worthy of praise?

Let's argue observable verifiable history bra not theology.
if you dont have the attention span for it then its not worth dialogueing with you

no offense, but please just re-read/re-look at what I wrote

the problem the atheist has is he cant escape labels to see outside of them..."King" Musa is a label. So the way I perceive his name is "King Moses"

or put another way "Seti"



To the egyptians, they are all like Moses but going backwards through the story instead of forwards with the hebrews
 
if you dont have the attention span for it then its not worth dialogueing with you

no offense, but please just re-read/re-look at what I wrote

the problem the atheist has is he cant escape labels to see outside of them..."King" Musa is a label. So the way I perceive his name is "King Moses"

or put another way "Seti"



To the egyptians, they are all like Moses but going backwards through the story instead of forwards with the hebrews


Apparently u don't.
Ur arguing theology - not factual shit u can definitely prove & not history.

I'm not even sure what your argument is?
Mine is clear.
I don't believe due to X,Y&Z

The nation building that took place in the Nile valley predates everything u hold near & dear.
Meaning.. we were obviously doing our own thing before the arrival of Judaism.

How does the etymology of specific terms relate to why u believe what u believe? Let alone drawing parallels to other unrelated groups?

I'm not making bold claims - YOU are.
Facts over feelings brabra
 
Apparently u don't.
Ur arguing theology - not factual shit u can definitely prove & not history.

I'm not even sure what your argument is?
Mine is clear.
I don't believe due to X,Y&Z

The nation building that took place in the Nile valley predates everything u hold near & dear.
Meaning.. we were obviously doing our own thing before the arrival of Judaism.

How does the etymology of specific terms relate to why u believe what u believe? Let alone drawing parallels to other unrelated groups?

I'm not making bold claims - YOU are.
Facts over feelings brabra
you're saying "ur arguing theology - not factual shit u can definitely prove & not history"

but the thread title is "how do y'all feel about religion"

so you are saying that you just dont feel

in either case I will quote a famous logician so hopefully you can consider your stance in a different light then you think you are projecting

In the Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle stated that it is the mark of an educated man to look for the appropriate level of precision for the subject matter at hand, and that it is foolish to demand mathematical proofs from a rhetorician.

rhet·o·ric
/ˈredərik/

noun

  1. the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.
    "he is using a common figure of rhetoric, hyperbole"


the nile produced what you and I hold near and dear, even if you don't realize it
 
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you're saying "ur arguing theology - not factual shit u can definitely prove & not history"

but the thread title is "how do y'all feel about religion"

so you are saying that you just dont feel

in either case I will quote a famous logician so hopefully you can consider your stance in a different light then you think you are projecting






the nile produced what you and I hold near and dear, even if you don't realize it

Throw me some video material when u get a chance to help illustrate that picture, (doesn't have to be academic).
I'm not closed minded at all bra.
If theirs a link to be drawn connecting antiquity that old to the figures ur referencing (mostly the religious takes) I'm all ears.

Things like who the true Hyksos were & the narratives we're fed about Akhenaten & the origins of monotheism are still highly disputed.

Both point of views are at odds with yt supremacy so we gucci
 
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