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KOBE VS LEBRON

WHO WAS BETTER PRIME FOR PRIME?

  • KOBE

  • LEBRON

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It's hard. both guys had cons and pros.


One thing I give Kobe the edge over Lebron is, Kobe's never say die attitude. I've seen Bron pack it in, in the 2016 Finals before Kyrie sparked the comeback.. I've seen Bron's defeated body language in Overtime become contagious in the 2017 NBA Finals after JR's blunder.

However, Bron is a better teammate. Although Bron is passive aggressive, and I rather respect a brotha that tells me the truth to my face, and tell me "yo fam u gotta work on xyz." As oppose to passive aggressively telling me "it's all good" then run to management to complain about me.
However, One thing I can't stand is someone who disrespects another person, and belittles his teammates knowing damn well he does it because he's protected. Kobe knew if u touch him, he'll run to management and get u off the team. Bron is not doing that, belittling his teammates.

Both guys had horrible finals performances. Kobe in 04' and 08'. And Kobe damn near sabotaged the Lakers in 2010. Bron in 07', and 2011.

Both guys play counterintuitive to a system. Kobe with his shoot over 3 defenders shit, and Lebron with his Bron ball. With that said, when Bron brought into Spo's system I have Bron right behind Shaq as the most unstoppable force I've ever seen.
However, bigs thrived playing with Kobe. I feel that Kobe would of had the most out of Chris Bosh, K.Love, and A.D...


Anyways Kobe had all the moves. But Bron has an higher I.Q... Rarely in 23 years did I look at my screen in disgust, and ask "what the fuck is Bron trying to do"?
Bron the better passer, more efficient scorer. Kobe the more dynamic scorer. Scoring wise outside of shot selection, Kobe had no weakness. Bron has weaknesses, but he has a better shot selection.

Kobe was able to play off ball. Bron doesn't. Even tho he was at his best when he did in Miami.

This is hard, but If I'm selecting a player to build my team around, I'm going with

Tim Duncan.
 
B1gBr3h said:
It's hard. both guys had cons and pros.


One thing I give Kobe the edge over Lebron is, Kobe's never say die attitude. I've seen Bron pack it in, in the 2016 Finals before Kyrie sparked the comeback.. I've seen Bron's defeated body language in Overtime become contagious in the 2017 NBA Finals after JR's blunder.

However, Bron is a better teammate. Although Bron is passive aggressive, and I rather respect a brotha that tells me the truth to my face, and tell me "yo fam u gotta work on xyz." As oppose to passive aggressively telling me "it's all good" then run to management to complain about me.
However, One thing I can't stand is someone who disrespects another person, and belittles his teammates knowing damn well he does it because he's protected. Kobe knew if u touch him, he'll run to management and get u off the team. Bron is not doing that, belittling his teammates.

Both guys had horrible finals performances. Kobe in 04' and 08'. And Kobe damn near sabotaged the Lakers in 2010. Bron in 07', and 2011.

Both guys play counterintuitive to a system. Kobe with his shoot over 3 defenders shit, and Lebron with his Bron ball. With that said, when Bron brought into Spo's system I have Bron right behind Shaq as the most unstoppable force I've ever seen.
However, bigs thrived playing with Kobe. I feel that Kobe would of had the most out of Chris Bosh, K.Love, and A.D...


Anyways Kobe had all the moves. But Bron has an higher I.Q... Rarely in 23 years did I look at my screen in disgust, and ask "what the fuck is Bron trying to do"?
Bron the better passer, more efficient scorer. Kobe the more dynamic scorer. Scoring wise outside of shot selection, Kobe had no weakness. Bron has weaknesses, but he has a better shot selection.

Kobe was able to play off ball. Bron doesn't. Even tho he was at his best when he did in Miami.

This is hard, but If I'm selecting a player to build my team around, I'm going with

Tim Duncan.
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APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN

HOWEVER, YOU JAMMED ALL THE CASUAL TALKING POINTS INTO ONE POST


KOBE'S BASKETBALL IQ IS LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF LEBRONS.. FOR INSTANCE, WE ALL KNOW LEBRON PLAYS FOR STATS- HE VIRTUALLY NEVER SAW AHEAD AND MADE THE PASS THAT LED TO THE PASS, BUT RATHER WENT FOR THE DIRECT ASSISTS THAT MADE THE HIGHLIGHT REEL. KOBE WAS A VISIONARY WHO STUDIED THE GAME AND ALWAYS PUT PEOPLE IN THEIR SWEET SPOTS, SEEING PLAYS UNFOLD WELL IN ADVANCE IN THE TRIANGLE. IF U DONT BELIEVE ME, JUST WATCH HOW HE BREAKS IT DOWN IN HIS SHOW "DETAIL" ON ESPN.. LEBRON DID NOT HAVE THIS ABILITY, HE WAS ALWAYS MORE DIRECT WITH HIS GAME LIKE HE PLAYIN PICK-UP BALL..

WHICH LEADS ME TO YOUR OTHER TALKING POINT OF LEBRON BEING THE BETTER TEAMMATE.. THIS IS ANOTHER CASUAL TALKING POINT THATS BEEN THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED. LIKE I SAID, WHILE KOBE DEMANDED THE MOST OUT HIS TEAMMATES, HE ALWAYS GOT THE BEST OUT OF THEM AND PUT THEM IN POSITIONS TO SUCCEED.. WHILE LEBRON HAS BEEN NOTORIOUS FOR HINDERING THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS TEAMMATES, TURNING STARS INTO ROLE PLAYERS AND ROLE PLAYERS INTO SCRUBS.. IF U WANTED SOMEONE WHO WOULD SMILE IN YOUR FACE, BE BUDDY-BUDDY WITH U, THEN TRY TO GET U TRADED BEHIND THE SCENES, LEBRON IS THE ONE.

YOU BRING UP TERRIBLE FINALS PERFORMANCES AS IF ITS EQUAL.. NONE COMPARE TO 2011, WHERE LEBRON WAS SO ATROCIOUS, HAD HE EVEN PLAYED AS GOOD AS A LOU WILLIAMS TYPE PLAYER, MIAMI SWEEPS THAT SERIES... KOBE UNDERPERFORMED IN 04, BUT SO DID THE ENTIRE LAKERS, AND 08 IS NOT ATTRIBUTED TO KOBE AT ALL.. BUT 2011 IS 100% ALL ON LEBRON.

AS FOR BUYING INTO A SYSTEM, KOBE IS LITERALLY GOATED FOR BUYING INTO THE TRIANGLE AND LIMITING HIS INDIVIDUAL OUTPUT WHEN HE COULDVE AVERAGED 40 PPG PLAYING IN A FREE FLOWING OFFENSE IN HIS PRIME.. LEBRON NEVER REALLY PLAYED IN A REAL SYSTEM, AND WHEN HE GOT CLOSE, EVEN SPO HAD TO ADJUST HIS SYSTEM TO CATER TO LEBRON AFTER THE 2011 MELTDOWN..

I CAN KEEP GOING, BUT HAD TO ADDRESS THOSE TALKING POINTS, AT THE VERY LEAST..


ALSO, VOTE ON THE POLL BRODIE


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Sccit said:
APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN

HOWEVER, YOU JAMMED ALL THE CASUAL TALKING POINTS INTO ONE POST


KOBE'S BASKETBALL IQ IS LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF LEBRONS.. FOR INSTANCE, WE ALL KNOW LEBRON PLAYS FOR STATS- HE VIRTUALLY NEVER SAW AHEAD AND MADE THE PASS THAT LED TO THE PASS, BUT RATHER WENT FOR THE DIRECT ASSISTS THAT MADE THE HIGHLIGHT REEL. KOBE WAS A VISIONARY WHO STUDIED THE GAME AND ALWAYS PUT PEOPLE IN THEIR SWEET SPOTS, SEEING PLAYS UNFOLD WELL IN ADVANCE IN THE TRIANGLE. IF U DONT BELIEVE ME, JUST WATCH HOW HE BREAKS IT DOWN IN HIS SHOW "DETAIL" ON ESPN.. LEBRON DID NOT HAVE THIS ABILITY, HE WAS ALWAYS MORE DIRECT WITH HIS GAME LIKE HE PLAYIN PICK-UP BALL..

WHICH LEADS ME TO YOUR OTHER TALKING POINT OF LEBRON BEING THE BETTER TEAMMATE.. THIS IS ANOTHER CASUAL TALKING POINT THATS BEEN THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED. LIKE I SAID, WHILE KOBE DEMANDED THE MOST OUT HIS TEAMMATES, HE ALWAYS GOT THE BEST OUT OF THEM AND PUT THEM IN POSITIONS TO SUCCEED.. WHILE LEBRON HAS BEEN NOTORIOUS FOR HINDERING THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS TEAMMATES, TURNING STARS INTO ROLE PLAYERS AND ROLE PLAYERS INTO SCRUBS.. IF U WANTED SOMEONE WHO WOULD SMILE IN YOUR FACE, BE BUDDY-BUDDY WITH U, THEN TRY TO GET U TRADED BEHIND THE SCENES, LEBRON IS THE ONE.

YOU BRING UP TERRIBLE FINALS PERFORMANCES AS IF ITS EQUAL.. NONE COMPARE TO 2011, WHERE LEBRON WAS SO ATROCIOUS, HAD HE EVEN PLAYED AS GOOD AS A LOU WILLIAMS TYPE PLAYER, MIAMI SWEEPS THAT SERIES... KOBE UNDERPERFORMED IN 04, BUT SO DID THE ENTIRE LAKERS, AND 08 IS NOT ATTRIBUTED TO KOBE AT ALL.. BUT 2011 IS 100% ALL ON LEBRON.

AS FOR BUYING INTO A SYSTEM, KOBE IS LITERALLY GOATED FOR BUYING INTO THE TRIANGLE AND LIMITING HIS INDIVIDUAL OUTPUT WHEN HE COULDVE AVERAGED 40 PPG PLAYING IN A FREE FLOWING OFFENSE IN HIS PRIME.. LEBRON NEVER REALLY PLAYED IN A REAL SYSTEM, AND WHEN HE GOT CLOSE, EVEN SPO HAD TO ADJUST HIS SYSTEM TO CATER TO LEBRON AFTER THE 2011 MELTDOWN..

I CAN KEEP GOING, BUT HAD TO ADDRESS THOSE TALKING POINTS, AT THE VERY LEAST..


ALSO, VOTE ON THE POLL BRODIE


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If that's how you feel than cool. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I've watched both men play. Lebron is one of those players where I rarely looked at my screen, and asked what the fuck is this guy doing?:wtf:


LeBron has more direct assists than Kobe, because he's a more willing passer. When Lebron draws doubles and triples, instead of forcing bad shots like Kobe, LeBron will make the higher I.q play, which is pass the fucking ball.
Kobe has more hockey assist because he played in the triangle which called for more ball, and player movement. Which is a plus, because Lebron mostly played Bron ball. Bron ball tends to stifle the team's overall ball movement however, Bron having great court vision, and always willing to make the high I.Q play makes up for it.
As oppose to Kobe if he were to play Bron ball, Kobe would of been too busy shooting over 3 defenders, instead of smartly passing to an open man. Kobe and his egregious shot selection needed the triangle to be a more well rounded player. Whereas Bron was born a well rounded player.


2. LeBron is the better teammate. 1st off, I give props to Kobe for keeping it a Bean.... I respect a person who's upfront. I'm not a fan of passive aggressiveness at all. However, The stories I hear about Kobe disrespecting his teammates, not talking to his teammates, belittling his teammates only a hoe ass dude think shit like that is funny or cute. Bron not doing none of that.
However, there is that thing that happens with the media where playing with Bron becomes toxic. I've seen it happen to Wade, Bosh, Love, AD, Kyrie..Westbrook. B.I, Zo, And they low-key started it with Luka last year.
Rich Paul fucking mouse looking ass tried to downplay Chris Bosh earlier this year, as if CB wasn't that dude before he went to play in Miami. CB would of been Pau Deluxe playing next to Bean.. Yet I still give the edge to Bron as a teammate because, That belittling another man shit is egregious.

Anyways, both guys are all time great players. I'm glad I got to witness both them play. I will tell my grandkids about them like the OGs told me about Wilt, Kareem, Walt Clyde, Dr.J, Moses Malone etc... Both guys had flaws. I don't think either of them are in thee goat convo, they're just all time great players. I think Tim Duncan is better than both them dudes.

Yea I seen that pic u posted. Still, Tim Duncan >>> Kobe....
 
B1gBr3h said:
LeBron has more direct assists than Kobe, because he's a more willing passer. When Lebron draws doubles and triples, instead of forcing bad shots like Kobe, LeBron will make the higher I.q play, which is pass the fucking ball.
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At the end of the day you'd rather Kobe take a contested double or triple teamed shot over his shitty teammates (Smush Parker for fuck sakes) taking a wide-opened shot.
 
The-Dream said:
At the end of the day you'd rather Kobe take a contested double or triple teamed shot over his shitty teammates (Smush Parker for fuck sakes) taking a wide-opened shot.
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Lmao that's low I.q basketball. Smush got paid millions to play. By Kobe getting his teammates involve it relieves defensive pressure on him, And in the process gives Kobe easier looks. You know all the shit Kobe talked about on his show Detail', that he never did while he played.
 
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You know all the shit Kobe talked about on his show Detail', that he never did while he played.
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THIS IS HOW I KNOW U DIDNT WATCH KOBE PLAY FOREAL.. OR AT LEAST DIDNT UNDERSTAND WHAT U WERE WATCHING.

SMUSH HAD, BY FAR, HIS BEST SEASONS PLAYIN WITH KOBE.. AND FOR A REASON.
 
B1gBr3h said:
If that's how you feel than cool. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I've watched both men play. Lebron is one of those players where I rarely looked at my screen, and asked what the fuck is this guy doing?:wtf:


LeBron has more direct assists than Kobe, because he's a more willing passer. When Lebron draws doubles and triples, instead of forcing bad shots like Kobe, LeBron will make the higher I.q play, which is pass the fucking ball.
Kobe has more hockey assist because he played in the triangle which called for more ball, and player movement. Which is a plus, because Lebron mostly played Bron ball. Bron ball tends to stifle the team's overall ball movement however, Bron having great court vision, and always willing to make the high I.Q play makes up for it.
As oppose to Kobe if he were to play Bron ball, Kobe would of been too busy shooting over 3 defenders, instead of smartly passing to an open man. Kobe and his egregious shot selection needed the triangle to be a more well rounded player. Whereas Bron was born a well rounded player.


2. LeBron is the better teammate. 1st off, I give props to Kobe for keeping it a Bean.... I respect a person who's upfront. I'm not a fan of passive aggressiveness at all. However, The stories I hear about Kobe disrespecting his teammates, not talking to his teammates, belittling his teammates only a hoe ass dude think shit like that is funny or cute. Bron not doing none of that.
However, there is that thing that happens with the media where playing with Bron becomes toxic. I've seen it happen to Wade, Bosh, Love, AD, Kyrie..Westbrook. B.I, Zo, And they low-key started it with Luka last year.
Rich Paul fucking mouse looking ass tried to downplay Chris Bosh earlier this year, as if CB wasn't that dude before he went to play in Miami. CB would of been Pau Deluxe playing next to Bean.. Yet I still give the edge to Bron as a teammate because, That belittling another man shit is egregious.

Anyways, both guys are all time great players. I'm glad I got to witness both them play. I will tell my grandkids about them like the OGs told me about Wilt, Kareem, Walt Clyde, Dr.J, Moses Malone etc... Both guys had flaws. I don't think either of them are in thee goat convo, they're just all time great players. I think Tim Duncan is better than both them dudes.

Yea I seen that pic u posted. Still, Tim Duncan >>> Kobe....
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BRUH!

YOUVE NEVER WATCHED LEBRON AND THOUGHT "WHAT THE FUCC IS THIS GUY DOING"?!?!

U CANNOT BE FOREAL .. LEBRON IS THE ONE "ALL TIME GREAT" WHO HAS MADE EXCESSIVE APPEARANCES ON SHAQTIN A FOOL.. STOP.

LEBRON HAS MORE DIRECT ASSISTS BECAUSE HE PLAYS FOR 2 THINGS WHEN HE HAS THE BALL- THE SCORE OR THE ASSIST. THATS WHY LEBRON TEAMS TYPICALLY LACK IN BALL MOVEMENT.. HE LITERALLY PLAYS FOR HIS OWN STATS ABOVE ALL ELSE.

YOU CAN CREDIT THE TRIANGLE ALL U WANT.. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE'VE SEEN KOBE WORK AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY SYSTEM BRILLIANTLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE JUST CANT SAY FOR LEBRON.

AS FOR KOBE DISRESPECTING TEAMMATES, IT WENT A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.. IF U CAME TO PLAY AND TOOK YOUR CRAFT SERIOUSLY, KOBE HAD THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR YOU.. BUT IF YOU WERE JUST THERE TO GOOF AROUND AND COLLECT A PAYCHECK, THEN KOBE ABSOLUTELY HAD ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU... LEBRON WAS FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE TO THEIR FACE AND THEN DISRESPECTFULLY TRIED GETTING EVERYONE TRADED BEHIND THEIR BACK ON SOME FAKE SHIIT... THATS A BETTER TEAMMATE?! KEVIN LOVE HAD PANIC ATTACKS PLAYING WITH LEBRON.. CHRIS BOSH SAID HOW DIFFICULT LEBRON MADE LIFE ON HIM.. WADE CONSTANTLY UNDERMINES LEBRON AND SAYS KOBE IS THE GOAT LOL! ... MEANWHILE, GO ASK PAU OR LAMAR HOW THEY FEEL BOUT KOBE.. EVEN SHAQ ADMITTED HE FUCCED UP NOT FALLIN BACK FOR KOBE WHEN IT WAS TIME.... CALLING LEBRON A BETTER TEAMMATE THAN KOBE IS STRAIGHT UP EGREGIOUS.

TIMMY AINT COMIN CLOSE .. HE'S MORE COMPARABLE TO KG THAN TO KOBE FAM.
 
Sccit said:
BRUH!

YOUVE NEVER WATCHED LEBRON AND THOUGHT "WHAT THE FUCC IS THIS GUY DOING"?!?!

U CANNOT BE FOREAL .. LEBRON IS THE ONE "ALL TIME GREAT" WHO HAS MADE EXCESSIVE APPEARANCES ON SHAQTIN A FOOL.. STOP.

LEBRON HAS MORE DIRECT ASSISTS BECAUSE HE PLAYS FOR 2 THINGS WHEN HE HAS THE BALL- THE SCORE OR THE ASSIST. THATS WHY LEBRON TEAMS TYPICALLY LACK IN BALL MOVEMENT.. HE LITERALLY PLAYS FOR HIS OWN STATS ABOVE ALL ELSE.

YOU CAN CREDIT THE TRIANGLE ALL U WANT.. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE'VE SEEN KOBE WORK AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY SYSTEM BRILLIANTLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE JUST CANT SAY FOR LEBRON.

AS FOR KOBE DISRESPECTING TEAMMATES, IT WENT A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.. IF U CAME TO PLAY AND TOOK YOUR CRAFT SERIOUSLY, KOBE HAD THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR YOU.. BUT IF YOU WERE JUST THERE TO GOOF AROUND AND COLLECT A PAYCHECK, THEN KOBE ABSOLUTELY HAD ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU... LEBRON WAS FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE TO THEIR FACE AND THEN DISRESPECTFULLY TRIED GETTING EVERYONE TRADED BEHIND THEIR BACK ON SOME FAKE SHIIT... THATS A BETTER TEAMMATE?! KEVIN LOVE HAD PANIC ATTACKS PLAYING WITH LEBRON.. CHRIS BOSH SAID HOW DIFFICULT LEBRON MADE LIFE ON HIM.. WADE CONSTANTLY UNDERMINES LEBRON AND SAYS KOBE IS THE GOAT LOL! ... MEANWHILE, GO ASK PAU OR LAMAR HOW THEY FEEL BOUT KOBE.. EVEN SHAQ ADMITTED HE FUCCED UP NOT FALLIN BACK FOR KOBE WHEN IT WAS TIME.... CALLING LEBRON A BETTER TEAMMATE THAN KOBE IS STRAIGHT UP EGREGIOUS.

TIMMY AINT COMIN CLOSE .. HE'S MORE COMPARABLE TO KG THAN TO KOBE FAM.
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Respect, one of the few users with any real basketball knowledge.
 
Sccit said:
BRUH!

YOUVE NEVER WATCHED LEBRON AND THOUGHT "WHAT THE FUCC IS THIS GUY DOING"?!?!

U CANNOT BE FOREAL .. LEBRON IS THE ONE "ALL TIME GREAT" WHO HAS MADE EXCESSIVE APPEARANCES ON SHAQTIN A FOOL.. STOP.

LEBRON HAS MORE DIRECT ASSISTS BECAUSE HE PLAYS FOR 2 THINGS WHEN HE HAS THE BALL- THE SCORE OR THE ASSIST. THATS WHY LEBRON TEAMS TYPICALLY LACK IN BALL MOVEMENT.. HE LITERALLY PLAYS FOR HIS OWN STATS ABOVE ALL ELSE.

YOU CAN CREDIT THE TRIANGLE ALL U WANT.. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE'VE SEEN KOBE WORK AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY SYSTEM BRILLIANTLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE JUST CANT SAY FOR LEBRON.

AS FOR KOBE DISRESPECTING TEAMMATES, IT WENT A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.. IF U CAME TO PLAY AND TOOK YOUR CRAFT SERIOUSLY, KOBE HAD THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR YOU.. BUT IF YOU WERE JUST THERE TO GOOF AROUND AND COLLECT A PAYCHECK, THEN KOBE ABSOLUTELY HAD ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU... LEBRON WAS FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE TO THEIR FACE AND THEN DISRESPECTFULLY TRIED GETTING EVERYONE TRADED BEHIND THEIR BACK ON SOME FAKE SHIIT... THATS A BETTER TEAMMATE?! KEVIN LOVE HAD PANIC ATTACKS PLAYING WITH LEBRON.. CHRIS BOSH SAID HOW DIFFICULT LEBRON MADE LIFE ON HIM.. WADE CONSTANTLY UNDERMINES LEBRON AND SAYS KOBE IS THE GOAT LOL! ... MEANWHILE, GO ASK PAU OR LAMAR HOW THEY FEEL BOUT KOBE.. EVEN SHAQ ADMITTED HE FUCCED UP NOT FALLIN BACK FOR KOBE WHEN IT WAS TIME.... CALLING LEBRON A BETTER TEAMMATE THAN KOBE IS STRAIGHT UP EGREGIOUS.

TIMMY AINT COMIN CLOSE .. HE'S MORE COMPARABLE TO KG THAN TO KOBE FAM.
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I never said never, I said rarely. Bron played 22 years, blunders are going to happen. Even then, many of those blunders are due to miscommunication, ill timing, or great defense forcing an error, yet when you look at what Bron was trying to execute, for the most part it made sense. It's rare to see a play by Lebron, and ask "wtf was he trying to do"...

Most players, especially top players play for stats, that's how they get paid on, and off the court. That's what fans follow, the box scores... That's what the Pundits bring up, the box scores.
The average fan don't know how to watch a game, and identify who's having the actual impact... And Most pundits don't even watch the games, they just watch highlights, and gloss over the box scores.
Hence why fans and analysts still think Bron is a top 10 player at this stage in his career. In spurts Bron still show flashes as the best player on the court, which is very impressive at this stage of his career. But overall, Bron been a top 13-20 player the past 2 years which is still great at this stage of his career. But because he puts up nice stats ppl still think he's a top 5-10 player..
And speaking of stats, if Bron plays for Points, and Ast... Then Kobe played for one thing, points. Kobe ranned Shaq outta town just to score 5-6 more points a game. Then had the audacity to run to Lakers management, and ownership to cry about needing more help, I know they was looking at him like "dude you had Shaq":gucci:
 
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Sccit said:
NAAH .. SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW BALL

U SIMPLY DONT

ITS OK, THERE ARE MORE CASUALS THAN ENTHUSIASTS.. NOTHIN TO BE ASHAMED OF
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You don't know ball. If you did, you would be a millionaire from sports betting. Keep coping with this fact however you want.
 
B1gBr3h said:
I never said never, I said rarely. Bron played 22 years, blunders are going to happen. Even then, many of those blunders are due to miscommunication, ill timing, or great defense forcing an error, yet when you look at what Bron was trying to execute, for the most part it made sense. It's rare to see a play by Lebron, and ask "wtf was he trying to do"...

Most players, especially top players play for stats, that's how they get paid on, and off the court. That's what fans follow, the box scores... That's what the Pundits bring up, the box scores.
The average fan don't know how to watch a game, and identify who's having the actual impact... And Most pundits don't even watch the games, they just watch highlights, and gloss over the box scores.
Hence why fans and analysts still think Bron is a top 10 player at this stage in his career. In spurts Bron still show flashes as the best player on the court, which is very impressive at this stage of his career. But overall, Bron been a top 13-20 player the past 2 years which is still great at this stage of his career. But because he puts up nice stats ppl still think he's a top 5-10 player..
And speaking of stats, if Bron plays for Points, and Ast... Then Kobe played for one thing, points. Kobe ranned Shaq outta town just to score 5-6 more points a game. Then had the audacity to run to Lakers management, and ownership to cry about needing more help, I know they was looking at him like "dude you had Shaq":gucci:
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BRON MAKES HELLA RETARDED MISTAKES FAM LOL ... ESPECIALLY ON DEFENSE. WHICH, LETS NOT FORGET, IS STILL 50% OF THE GAME LAST TIME I CHECKED.. EVEN ON OFFENSE, A LOT OF TIMES HE JUST LOOKS LOST OUT THERE AND ENDS UP FREESTYLING IT, THEN SCAPEGOATS HIS TEAMMATES WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG.. HE FREEZES UP AND TOTALLY BOTCHES THE EXECUTION MORE THAN ANY SUPERSTAR IVE EVER SEEN. DESPITE WHAT THE MEDIA TRIES TO PORTRAY, HIS BASKETBALL IQ IS ACTUALLY VERY MEDIOCRE.

KOBE TOOK ON DIFFICULT SHOTS WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING THERE, NO DOUBT.. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING THERE FOR LEBRON, HE WOULD FORCE HIS TEAMMATES TO TAKE THE DIFFICULT SHOTS INSTEAD OF TAKING THEM HIMSELF.. THATS BECAUSE LEBRON WAS HYPER AWARE OF HIS PERCENTGES, WHILE KOBE DIDNT GIVE A FUCC BOUT NOTHIN OUTSIDE OF WINNING- INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS DIDNT MATTER TO KOBE.. IF THEY DID, HE WOULDA WENT AND PLAYED FOR A FREE FLOWING OFFENSE IN HIS PRIME AND AVERAGED 35-40 FOR A DECADE STRAIGHT..

KOBE WAS MAD AT SHAQ BECAUSE SHAQ WAS NO LONGER AS GOOD AS HIM, YET SHAQ STILL INSISTED ON HAVING THE OFFENSE RUN THROUGH HIM (EVEN WHEN PHIL JACKSON THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE RUNNING THROUGH KOBE) .. KOBE DIDNT LIKE THAT SHAQ WAS LAZY AND WOULD COME TO CAMP FAT AND OUTA SHAPE .. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH "SCORING MORE"

KOBE JUST WANTED TO WIN AT ALL COSTS .. LEBRON JUST WANTED TO BE LIKED AT ALL COSTS

HUGE DIFFERENCE
 
Sccit said:
THIS IS PERHAPS THE DUMBEST THING IVE EVER READ ON ANY FORUM EVER LMFAO

IM IN HERE TO TALK HOOPS.. U HERE TO RIDE NUTS

DO BETTER HOMIE
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All this yapping about "I'm here to talk hoops" ...worthless copout. You are masquerading your opinions/agendas as "knowledge", which takes us back to square 1:


You don't know ball. If you did, you would be a millionaire from sports betting. Keep coping with this fact however you want.
 
Aguapapi said:
All this yapping about "I'm here to talk hoops" ...worthless copout. You are masquerading your opinions/agendas as "knowledge", which takes us back to square 1:


You don't know ball. If you did, you would be a millionaire from sports betting. Keep coping with this fact however you want.
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SO EVERYONE WHO ISNT RICH FROM SPORTS BETTING DOESNT KNOW BALL

ROFL

BRUH .. U LITERALLY HAVE THE MIND OF A 5 YEAR OLD

:dead:

GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL
 
Sccit said:
KOBE TOOK ON DIFFICULT SHOTS WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING THERE, NO DOUBT.. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING THERE FOR LEBRON, HE WOULD FORCE HIS TEAMMATES TO TAKE THE DIFFICULT SHOTS INSTEAD OF TAKING THEM HIMSELF.. THATS BECAUSE LEBRON WAS HYPER AWARE OF HIS PERCENTGES, WHILE KOBE DIDNT GIVE A FUCC BOUT NOTHIN OUTSIDE OF WINNING-
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So Kobe shooting over 3 defenders instead of passing it to open teammates, is winning.??
But Lebron passing the ball to open teammates is him being selfish And caring about his FG percentages???
So taking a bad shot is winning, and passing it to an open teammates is selfish????

Sccit said:
KOBE WAS MAD AT SHAQ BECAUSE SHAQ WAS NO LONGER AS GOOD AS HIM, YET SHAQ STILL INSISTED ON HAVING THE OFFENSE RUN THROUGH HIM (EVEN WHEN PHIL JACKSON THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE RUNNING THROUGH KOBE) .. KOBE DIDNT LIKE THAT SHAQ WAS LAZY AND WOULD COME TO CAMP FAT AND OUTA SHAPE .. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH "SCORING MORE"

KOBE JUST WANTED TO WIN AT ALL COSTS .. LEBRON JUST WANTED TO BE LIKED AT ALL COSTS

HUGE DIFFERENCE
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If Kobe cared about winning at all costs then he wouldn't care that he was considered Shaq's sidekick. Kobe would of only cared about 3 things more banners, more Larry O Briens, and more rings... Instead Kobe cared about how he was perceived in the duo with him and Shaq, and he wanted to prove that he could win without Shaq. That's not winning at all cost.
And so what Shaq came into camp fat, and Lazy. when it was game time, who the fuck was stopping Shaq???
as long as Shaq was producing, especially producing in late April, May, and June I'd could care less that Shaq had 3 big Macs before the game.... "You ready to go big fella? Ight let's go".
 
B1gBr3h said:
So Kobe shooting over 3 defenders instead of passing it to open teammates, is winning.??
But Lebron passing the ball to open teammates is him being selfish And caring about his FG percentages???
So taking a bad shot is winning, and passing it to an open teammates is selfish????


If Kobe cared about winning at all costs then he wouldn't care that he was considered Shaq's sidekick. Kobe would of only cared about 3 things more banners, more Larry O Briens, and more rings... Instead Kobe cared about how he was perceived in the duo with him and Shaq, and he wanted to prove that he could win without Shaq. That's not winning at all cost.
And so what Shaq came into camp fat, and Lazy. when it was game time, who the fuck was stopping Shaq???
as long as Shaq was producing, especially producing in late April, May, and June I'd could care less that Shaq had 3 big Macs before the game.... "You ready to go big fella? Ight let's go".
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LEBRON WOULDNT TAKE SHOTS OVER THREE DEFENDERS WIT THE CLOCK WINDING DOWN.. HE RATHER PASS IT TO A TEAMMATE GUARDED BY 3 DEFENDERS TO TAKE THAT SHOT, WHILE HE HIMSELF PROTECTS HIS PERCENTAGES AND TAKES ON ONLY THE EASY SHOTS.. THATS NOT WINNING BASKETBALL. YOU WANT YOUR SUPERSTAR TAKING ON THE TOUGH ASSIGNMENTS..KOBE TOOK THOSE DIFFICULT SHOTS (AND A LOT OF THE TIMES MADE THEM, HENCE HIS INCREDIBLE HIGHLIGHT REEL) TYPICALLY WHEN IT WAS NECESSARY, NOT FOR FUN.

THERES A REASON WHY 1 OF THEM HAS 4* RINGS IN 23 YEARS PLAYING HIS ENTIRE PRIME ON STACKED SUPERTEAMS, WHILE THE OTHER HAS 5 WHILE PLAYING HALF HIS PRIME ON G-LEAGUE LEVEL ROSTERS.

SO YES, ONE OF THEM PLAYS WINNING BASKETBALL, AND THE OTHER PLAYS BUILD-A-FANTASY-TEAM BRON BALL.

SHAQ WAS NO LONGER WINNING WITH KOBE .. HE FELL OFF IN 2003 AND LOOKED LIKE A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF IN 2004 (ESPECIALLY ON D).. IF LAKERS WERE STILL WINNING, YOUD HAVE A POINT. BUT SHAQ WAS A PETULANT CHILD WHO DESPITE HAVING HIS BEST DAYS BEHIND HIM, INSISTED THAT HE WOULDNT PLAY DEFENSE OR REBOUND IF THE OFFENSE DIDNT RUN THROUGH HIM.

THIS WOULD BE LIKE KAREEM UNWILLING TO LET MAGIC BE THE MAN WHEN IT WAS HIS TIME.. IF LAKERS WERE STILL WINNING, YOUD HAVE A POINT. BUT THEY WERENT. PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE BASKETBALL WORLD HAS COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT SHAQS IMMATURITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR BEEF, INCLUDING SHAQ HIMSELF.. TIME TO GET WIT THE TIMES HOMIE.
 
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Sccit said:
SO EVERYONE WHO ISNT RICH FROM SPORTS BETTING DOESNT KNOW BALL

ROFL

BRUH .. U LITERALLY HAVE THE MIND OF A 5 YEAR OLD

:dead:

GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL
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You don't know ball. If you did, you would be a millionaire from sports betting. Keep coping with this fact however you want.
 
B1gBr3h said:
So Kobe shooting over 3 defenders instead of passing it to open teammates, is winning.??
But Lebron passing the ball to open teammates is him being selfish And caring about his FG percentages???
So taking a bad shot is winning, and passing it to an open teammates is selfish????


If Kobe cared about winning at all costs then he wouldn't care that he was considered Shaq's sidekick. Kobe would of only cared about 3 things more banners, more Larry O Briens, and more rings... Instead Kobe cared about how he was perceived in the duo with him and Shaq, and he wanted to prove that he could win without Shaq. That's not winning at all cost.
And so what Shaq came into camp fat, and Lazy. when it was game time, who the fuck was stopping Shaq???
as long as Shaq was producing, especially producing in late April, May, and June I'd could care less that Shaq had 3 big Macs before the game.... "You ready to go big fella? Ight let's go".
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LeBron cares too much about his stats and percentages to take difficult shots. Kobe wanted to win no matter what.
 
Ethnic Vagina Finder said:
Lebron came into the NBA being the best player on his team and it’s been that way for 20 years.

You can’t say that about Kobe.
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LEBRON HASNT BEEN THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM SINCE HE LEFT CLEVELAND IN 2018

EVEN THEN, IT WAS ARGUABLY KYRIE WHO WAS BETTER DURING HIS SECOND STINT
 
Ethnic Vagina Finder said:
I'm talking about his second stint in Cleveland. Lebron got them to the finals without Love and Irving in year one. Then he got them back after Kyrie left.
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KYRIE WAS THERE EVERY YEAR MINUS 2018

AND 2018 WAS ANOTHER 2007 TYPE SITUATION WHERE HE HAS A CAKEWALK IN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE
 
Sccit said:
SHAQ WAS NO LONGER WINNING WITH KOBE ....
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Laker's Last Two Reg Season Records With Shaq
2002-03: 50-32
2003-04: 56-26

Laker's Reg Season Record, Following Year Without Shaq
2004-05: 34-48

Shaq left after the 2003-2004 year. The record shows, Kobe was winning with Shaq, and didn't win the 1st year without Shaq.
Shaq went to Miami in the 2004-2005 NBA season, where the Miami Heat had a 59-23 record.

Sccit said:
HE FELL OFF IN 2003 AND LOOKED LIKE A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF IN 2004 (ESPECIALLY ON D).. IF LAKERS WERE STILL WINNING, YOUD HAVE A POINT. BUT SHAQ WAS A PETULANT CHILD WHO DESPITE HAVING HIS BEST DAYS BEHIND HIM, INSISTED THAT HE WOULDNT PLAY DEFENSE OR REBOUND IF THE OFFENSE DIDNT RUN THROUGH HIM.
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Shaq "Fell off" in 2003, averaging 27 a game.:dead:

Shaq Stats
2002-2003: PPG=27.5, REB=11.1, BLK=2.4, FG%=57.4
2003-2004: PPG=21.5, REB=11.5, BLK=2.5, FG%=58.4

Shaq PPG dropped 6 points in the 03-04 NBA season due to the Lakers signing Karl Malone, and Gary Payton.
Shaq's Field Goal Attempts went from 18.1 to 14.1. Shaq wasn't a shell of himself, he just took less shots.

As for his defense, yes Shaq tended to coast on D, especially as he got out of shape, and older in order to conserve energy for his offense.
However, in the 03-04 NBA Season, the year you highlighted, Shaq had the 6th best Defensive Win-Share% of his career.

Anyways in the 04-05 NBA Season, Shaq would go on to play for the Miami Heat where'd he average 23 PPG, 10.4 REB, 2.3 BLK, 60.4 FG%, the 4th best Defensive Win-Share % of his career, help lead the Miami Heat to a regular season Eastern Conference best 59-23 record, an Eastern Conference Finals play-off berth, and finished second in MVP votes to Steve Nash.
 
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What kind of basketball coward passes the ball instead of taking the Hero Shot? The Shooting Gawd all day, every day.
 
B1gBr3h said:
Laker's Last Two Reg Season Records With Shaq
2002-03: 50-32
2003-04: 56-26

Laker's Reg Season Record, Following Year Without Shaq
2004-05: 34-48

Shaq left after the 2003-2004 year. The record shows, Kobe was winning with Shaq, and didn't win the 1st year without Shaq.
Shaq went to Miami in the 2004-2005 NBA season, where the Miami Heat had a 59-23 record.


Shaq "Fell off" in 2003, averaging 27 a game.:dead:

Shaq Stats
2002-2003: PPG=27.5, REB=11.1, BLK=2.4, FG%=57.4
2003-2004: PPG=21.5, REB=11.5, BLK=2.5, FG%=58.4

Shaq PPG dropped 6 points in the 03-04 NBA season due to the Lakers signing Karl Malone, and Gary Payton.
Shaq's Field Goal Attempts went from 18.1 to 14.1. Shaq wasn't a shell of himself, he just took less shots.

As for his defense, yes Shaq tended to coast on D, especially as he got out of shape, and older in order to conserve energy for his offense.
However, in the 03-04 NBA Season, the year you highlighted, Shaq had the 6th best Defensive Win-Share% of his career.

Anyways in the 04-05 NBA Season, Shaq would go on to play for the Miami Heat where'd he average 23 PPG, 10.4 REB, 2.3 BLK, 60.4 FG%, the 4th best Defensive Win-Share % of his career, help lead the Miami Heat to a regular season Eastern Conference best 59-23 record, an Eastern Conference Finals play-off berth, and finished second in MVP votes to Steve Nash.
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HOMIE

I GOTA STOP HERE

IF U DONT KNOW THAT SHAQ FELL OFF IN 03 AND EVEN MORE SO IN 04

THEN U JUST WASNT THERE

LOL

THATS ALL IMA SAY
 
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